[wilhelmtux-discussion] Flyer 6. Mai erster Entwurf

[Markus Gaelli]

Hi Myriam,

On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote:

> Squeak ist zwar gratis, aber nicht unter einer wirklich freien Lizenz:
> http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/
>
> [snip]

nicht frei im Sinne von OSI approved.
Allerdings frei in jedem anderen Sinn.

Squeak wird nicht nur auf dem $100 laptop sondern auch auf Ubuntu sein.
Wie ich am Montag gehört habe, hat sich Alan Kay mit Steve Jobs  
geeinigt, die Apple-Lizenz (genau wegen Euch Paragraphen Reitern  
übrigens ;-), nicht, weil Alan meint, dass es da irgendwelche  
Probleme gibt oder geben sollte) dahingehen zu relizensieren, dass  
auch OSI keine Probleme damit mehr hat.

Ich denke, es geht dabei vor allem darum, die Indemnification-Klausel  
herauszunehmen, nicht dass ein Atomkraftwerk Debian verklagt, wenn  
die EToys den Kern zum Schmelzen gebracht haben, und Debian dann  
nicht auf Apple verweisen kann...

Grüsse,

Markus
>>
>> Hi Markus --
>>
>> At 5:53 PM +0100 3/24/04, Markus Gaelli wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alan,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Another problem, by the way, seems to be, that one has to read  
>>>>> and agree to the license _before_ one can download Squeak.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least this is the argument, why the Squeak e.V. might not  
>>>>> get a free booth at the "Linux Tag" in Karlsruhe this year as a  
>>>>> "Free Software Project".
>>>>> They argue that no distributors can put Squeak on some CDs, as  
>>>>> the distributors could not "agree" instead of the users.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is ridiculous! This is simply spinning wrong ideas from  
>>>> nothing.
>>>>
>>> Sad but true. I guess many lawyers do that all the time, so  
>>> people are afraid.
>>>
>>> I understand the indemnification clause of Apple like
>>> 	"Yes, we were responsible for Squeak, so there _is_ someone  
>>> responsible for it now, but we are not anymore, so don't sue us."
>>> Debian etc. read it like
>>> 	"If Debian distributed it, Debian would be responsible for it  
>>> and so they could be sued by whoever." -> Hot potatoe...
>>>
>>
>> Well, it doesn't say that at all.
>>
>>
>>> Funny thing is, that I believe for most free software no one is  
>>> responsible, so nobody could be sued.
>>>
>>
>> That is what the current license says. It's just making sure that  
>> Apple can't be sued....
>>
>>
>>>
>>> No chance, that you call Steve Jobs and convince him to change  
>>> the license to the OSI approved "Apple Public Source License"?
>>>
>>
>> This license happened after Squeak left Apple. I am going to  
>> contact Steve (who was not at Apple when Squeak was developed) and  
>> see what I can do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alan